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Ruimte foto van de bosbranden rond Sydney New South Wales Australie

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Wildfires are pictured surrounding Sydney, Australia, as the International Space Station orbited 269 miles above the Tasman Sea on Jan. 3, 2020.
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Australia is burning. Over 11.3 million hectares of land, 500 million animals expected dead, entire communities displaced.

How many more disasters till we #ActOnClimate?

We're in a #climateemergency.

Act like it

video opnames van de omvang van de bosbranden vanuit helicopter (1 minuut)

twitter.com/MikeHudema/status/1213329...
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Australia, is suffering its worst bushfire season in recorded history. Half a billion animals affected, over 250 million tonnes of CO2 released.

The #climatecrisis is here. Time to listen to the science and #ActOnClimate

twitter.com/MikeHudema/status/1213435...
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"Stop giving power to people who don't believe in science.' ~Harrison Ford

There is no time to wait, there is no planet B. #ActOnClimate

twitter.com/MikeHudema/status/1213480...
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Climate change will lead to global food insecurity, more migration to urban centers, and the possible extinction of 1 million plant and animal species.

No planet B, No time to waste. #ActOnClimate

video 1 minuut
twitter.com/MikeHudema/status/1213531...
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Energie uit golfbewegingen op zee

Companies are now harnessing the power of ocean waves to generate electricity.

We have the solutions to the #climatecrisis, let's implement them.

twitter.com/MikeHudema/status/1213169...
NewKidInTown
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Golfenergie lijkt me een afgeleide van windenergie.

Daar bedoel ik mee: als er geen wind zou bestaan, zou er ook geen golfenergie bestaan.

Maar ik kan het mis hebben, had er nog nooit van gehoord.
NewKidInTown
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luchtschip schreef op 4 januari 2020 22:25:

"Stop giving power to people who don't believe in science.' ~Harrison Ford

There is no time to wait, there is no planet B. #ActOnClimate

twitter.com/MikeHudema/status/1213480...
” ‘I believe in science’ is an homage given to science by people who generally don’t understand much about it. Science is used here not to describe specific methods or theories, but to provide a badge of tribal identity. Which serves, ironically, to demonstrate a lack of interest in the guiding principles of actual science.” – Robert Tracinski

For some years now, one of the left’s favorite tropes has been the phrase “I believe in science.” Elizabeth Warren stated it recently in a pretty typical form: “I believe in science. And anyone who doesn’t has no business making decisions about our environment.” This was in response to news that scientists who are skeptical of global warming might be allowed to have a voice in shaping public policy.

The problem is the word “belief.” Science isn’t about “belief.” It’s about facts, evidence, theories, experiments. You don’t say, “I believe in thermodynamics.” You understand its laws and the evidence for them, or you don’t. “Belief” doesn’t really enter into it.

So as a proper formulation, saying “I understand science” would be a start. “I understand the science on this issue” would be better. That implies that you have engaged in a first-hand study of the specific scientific questions involved in, say, global warming, which would give you the basis to support a conclusion. If you don’t understand the basis for your conclusion and instead have to accept it as a “belief,” then you don’t really know it, and you certainly are in no position to lecture others about how they must believe it, too.

Because science is about evidence, this also means that it carries no “authority.” The motto of the Royal Society is nullius in verba—”on no one’s word”—which is intended to capture the “determination of Fellows to withstand the domination of authority and to verify all statements by an appeal to facts determined by experiment.”

That’s the opposite of what “I believe in science” is intended to convey. “I believe in science” is meant to use the reputation of “science” in general to give authority to one specific scientific claim in particular, shielding it from questioning or skepticism.

“I believe in science” is almost always invoked these days in support of one particular scientific claim: catastrophic anthropogenic global warming. And in support of one particular political solution: massive government regulations to limit or ban fossil fuels.

The purpose of the trope is to bypass any meaningful discussion of these separate questions, rolling them all into one package deal–and one political party ticket.

The trick is to make it look as though disagreement on any of these specific questions is equivalent to a rejection of the scientific method and the scientific worldview itself.

But when people in politics proclaim “I believe in science” what they’re doing is proclaiming a belief in the current consensus. Do you think Elizabeth Warren and Andrew Yang have given serious study to climate science? No, they believe in global warming and its preferred political solutions because they have been told that a consensus of scientists believes it (and because this belief confirms their own political biases). Notice that Warren’s statement was about a panel of scientists who are skeptical of global warming, led by a distinguished physicist, William Happer. When does a scientist count as someone who “doesn’t believe in science”? When he departs from the “consensus.”
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NewKidInTown schreef op 5 januari 2020 01:15:

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” ‘I believe in science’ is an homage given to science by people who generally don’t understand much about it. Science is used here not to describe specific methods or theories, but to provide a badge of tribal identity. Which serves, ironically, to demonstrate a lack of interest in the guiding principles of actual science.” – Robert Tracinski

For some years now, one of the left’s favorite tropes has been the phrase “I believe in science.” Elizabeth Warren stated it recently in a pretty typical form: “I believe in science. And anyone who doesn’t has no business making decisions about our environment.” This was in response to news that scientists who are skeptical of global warming might be allowed to have a voice in shaping public policy.

The problem is the word “belief.” Science isn’t about “belief.” It’s about facts, evidence, theories, experiments. You don’t say, “I believe in thermodynamics.” You understand its laws and the evidence for them, or you don’t. “Belief” doesn’t really enter into it.

So as a proper formulation, saying “I understand science” would be a start. “I understand the science on this issue” would be better. That implies that you have engaged in a first-hand study of the specific scientific questions involved in, say, global warming, which would give you the basis to support a conclusion. If you don’t understand the basis for your conclusion and instead have to accept it as a “belief,” then you don’t really know it, and you certainly are in no position to lecture others about how they must believe it, too.

Because science is about evidence, this also means that it carries no “authority.” The motto of the Royal Society is nullius in verba—”on no one’s word”—which is intended to capture the “determination of Fellows to withstand the domination of authority and to verify all statements by an appeal to facts determined by experiment.”

That’s the opposite of what “I believe in science” is intended to convey. “I believe in science” is meant to use the reputation of “science” in general to give authority to one specific scientific claim in particular, shielding it from questioning or skepticism.

“I believe in science” is almost always invoked these days in support of one particular scientific claim: catastrophic anthropogenic global warming. And in support of one particular political solution: massive government regulations to limit or ban fossil fuels.

The purpose of the trope is to bypass any meaningful discussion of these separate questions, rolling them all into one package deal–and one political party ticket.

The trick is to make it look as though disagreement on any of these specific questions is equivalent to a rejection of the scientific method and the scientific worldview itself.

But when people in politics proclaim “I believe in science” what they’re doing is proclaiming a belief in the current consensus. Do you think Elizabeth Warren and Andrew Yang have given serious study to climate science? No, they believe in global warming and its preferred political solutions because they have been told that a consensus of scientists believes it (and because this belief confirms their own political biases). Notice that Warren’s statement was about a panel of scientists who are skeptical of global warming, led by a distinguished physicist, William Happer. When does a scientist count as someone who “doesn’t believe in science”? When he departs from the “consensus.”
Deze man heeft heel veel woorden nodig om uit te leggen dat hij niets te zeggen heeft.

Zet aub niet te veel van deze posts op het forum, zonde van mijn tijd
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luchtschip schreef op 5 januari 2020 01:44:

Deze man heeft heel veel woorden nodig om uit te leggen dat hij niets te zeggen heeft.
I believe dat deze man de spijker op z'n kop slaat.

Geef eens INHOUDELIJK commentaar in plaats van blaming the messenger.
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NewKidInTown schreef op 5 januari 2020 02:00:

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I believe dat deze man de spijker op z'n kop slaat.

Geef eens INHOUDELIJK commentaar in plaats van blaming the messenger.
Wanneer iemand zegt "I believe in science" betekent dat zoiets als "ik heb vertrouwen in de resultaten van wetenschappelijk onderzoek". Dit is wel degelijk mogelijk zonder die zelf te kunnen verifiëren. Dat is namelijk de essentie van de wetenschap, dat specialisten zich in een onderwerp verdiepen, globaal en zonder politieke motieven, en tot conclusies komen. Er zijn zelfs vakgebieden waarin de meeste deelnemers niet eens begrijpen wat desondanks algemeen als waarheid geaccepteerd wordt. Een goed voorbeeld is de algemene relativiteitstheorie die door hoogstens enige honderden mensen (ik hoor dus niet daartoe) op deze wereld in zijn diepste essentie beheerst wordt. Toch zijn er weinigen die aan de consequenties (die zeer goed getest kunnen worden) twijfelen.

In de huidige tijd, waarin iedereen die Google kan bedienen denkt over welk thema dan ook een gefundeerde uitspraak te kunnen doen en experts tegen de schenen te mogen schoppen, staat deze methodiek onder druk, maar daar moet zij tegen kunnen. Ik doe voor de grap mee op Quora en weet uit eigen ervaring wat voor onzin gepostuleerd wordt. De wereld kent veel charlatans.
NewKidInTown
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When does a scientist count as someone who “doesn’t believe in science”? When he departs from the “consensus.”

Afwijken van de "consensus" roept altijd veel weerstand op.

Neem nou Galileo Galilei

nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei
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NewKidInTown schreef op 5 januari 2020 11:47:

Wie gelooft er in Lou de Palingboer of Jomanda ?
Lou maakte het heel eenvoudig, door een uitspraak te doen die eenvoudig te weerleggen was, net als meneer Engels trouwens. De handige bedriegers doen niet zo dom.

Lou had voor zich zelf het eeuwige leven voorzien.
Meneer Engels voorspelt dat een ijstijd elk moment kan beginnen.
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NewKidInTown schreef op 5 januari 2020 11:40:

When does a scientist count as someone who “doesn’t believe in science”? When he departs from the “consensus.”
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Weer zo'n uitspraak die nergens op slaat. Wetenschap heeft als doel te observeren en de resultaten te interpreteren. Het is de gewoonste zaak van de wereld dat er meerdere interpretaties zijn. Uiteindelijk zal hoogstens één de tand des tijds doorstaan, meestal geen. Vanzelfsprekend zijn er kwaliteitsverschillen tussen wetenschappers.
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