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[verwijderd] 19 juli 2009 14:38

You must always remember that their is a lot of money to be made in just the motion of a stock UP or DOWN it doesn't matter! And Bashers have money at risk just as you do. But they have the edge of fear, lies, and falsehoods to post while preying on the un-initiated. The average investor dose not have the edge of organized deception.

Recent revelations have indicated that even Market Makers (those charged with keeping the playing field level) have been involved in stock manipulation by Bashing on a stock message board. HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THIS IS A REAL THREAT!

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Lesson 3: BASHERS POST MANY TIMES A DAY. They try to wear you out. They comment on everything, every other post, and can answer every question. THEY KNOW IT ALL! There is no positive comment they won't Bash. They try to control the board. True longs may have to confront the Bashers or they will appear to the newbies as being the people with all the information. This is best accomplished by posting positive, well researched data on the company, repetitively, while trying hard not to engage the Bashers in direct repartee. REMEMBER - LONGS... RESIST USING THE BASHERS ALIAS!

Lesson 4: BASHERS WILL LIE TO YOUR FACE. Never trust a Basher. The truth on startup companies is that they make mistakes. What new company hasn't? The Basher will compare your issue to a another companies, financials - deals - management, etc., trying to lure you into making an Apples to Oranges comparison. Remember each company is unique and while it is prudent to seek out established indicators, do so with care and don't take someone else's word for it. Strive to come up with at least a "six-pack" of indicators so your vision of the state of a company is not tied to a single barometer. Not doing so is tantamount to going to a Race Track and betting on the "Pretty Brown Horsey". BASHERS WANT TO WHISPER IN YOUR EAR - PLANT A SEED OF DOUBT, AND HOPE THAT YOU ARE NOT SAVVY ENOUGH TO RESEARCH THE TRUTH ON YOUR OWN. This is how they achieve their greatest success.

DOUBT + FEAR + LAZINESS = BAIL OUT!

[verwijderd] 19 juli 2009 14:38

Is the "Bashing" of a stock an essential part of the online investment landscape?

Our Constitution guarantees us free speech and we have always valued the lessons gleaned from dissent. When does dissent cross over that imaginary line and become "Bashing"? To often we find well grounded dissent capriciously labeled as "Bashing" by over zealous investors bent on protecting a stocks reputation at any cost. The "Bashing" that is addressed on this site is quite different from dissent. The Anatomy of a Basher strives to look at the calculated erosion of confidence in a given stock. Erosion by means that are, in every sense, void of truth, hinged on deception and innuendo, and motivated by greed at the expense of others. This compendium is offered to aid in identifying the telltale signs of "Bashing", and hopefully provide a counter balance to this heretofore unchecked manipulation of investors fears for personal gain.

IS IT EASIER TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO SELLING THAN IT IS TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO BUYING A STOCK? I have asked some knowledgeable investors this question and the answer is always: "YES, OF COURSE YES!"

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WHO BASHERS PREY UPON

Consider the elderly that are investing for retirement, they find their way to the message boards for validation only to see false posts about "SEC Violations" and "Class action suits"... or the head of a "typical growing family", with children to put through college, who is monitoring a message board only to read posts by a "pack of 15 to 20 Bashers" (probably 5 or 6 under various alias's) posting continuous disinformation... what do you think these new investors will do? It's safer to not buy or even sell the stock, put the money back in the bank than to deal with all this whirl wind of "unsupported" negative chaff.

The Internet has lured a whole new class of investor into the market. A new investor is just that - New! This new investor, while learning the basics, is particularly vulnerable to the tactics of professional Bashers. New investors tend to lurk in the background of message boards, content to form independent opinions based on what they read with their own eyes. Very often, honest, intelligent and cautious people can easily be overcome by a well orchestrated propaganda effort.

[verwijderd] 19 juli 2009 14:39

Lesson 5: Bashers know YOU CAN'T VERIFY THEIR STATEMENTS. That's why they make the vague statements they do. They rely on you being to lazy to research their droppings other than to scan the board for others opinions. This is particularly dangerous when you consider that Bashers work in packs and often validate and back up each others nonsense with what appears to be "innocuous and unsolicited" verification by comrade Bashers. Let's face it, we are all conditioned to "believe" everything we see in writing. If others by virtue of their "posts" also confirm this belief, then we are subconsciously doomed to swallow the hook, line and sinker... Basher - 1 Honest Investor - 0

Lesson 6: The Bashers PLAY ON YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE. They can lie about information and you won't know the difference (unless you have done your own DD on the company and know the truth and facts).

Lesson 7: Bashers play on your lack of patience. You have held a stock for a while. You knew it will be a big stock someday, but the BASHER CAN GET TO YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE TIRED OF WAITING FOR YOUR GAIN. That's when the Basher is best. You are tired. You have forgotten the goal for the stock was to hold it for one year. The Basher is bothersome, so you dump it on a bad day. Some others also dump. Then you get mad for your loss and return to let everyone know how mad you are. Then you turn into a semi-Basher as well. THE BASHER HAS WON, AND GAINED A NEW ALLY - YOU!

Lesson 8: BRING THE PRICE DOWN. That is the Basher's job. The truth is not important. Lies are the norm. Post continuously on the board every day. They are trying to scare the newbies that are just investigating a stock. They are trying to wear down the faithful longs on the board and gain free reign and control.

[verwijderd] 19 juli 2009 14:39

A BASHER HANDBOOK:
Rules for Successful Bashing:

1. Be anonymous

2. Use 10% fact. 90% suggestion. The facts will lend credibility to your suggestions.

3. Let others help you learn about the stock. Build rapport and a
support base before initiating your Bashing routine.

4. Enter w/ humor and reply to all who reply to you.

5. Use multiple ISP's, handles and aliases.

6. Use two (2) or more aliases to simulate a discussion.

7. Do not start with an all out slam of the stock. Build softly.

8. Identify your foes (Longs) and the boards "guru" Use them to
your advantage. Lead them do not follow their lead.

9. Only Bash until the tide/momentum turns. Let doubt carry it the
rest of the way.

10. Give the appearance of being open minded.

11. Be bold in your statements. People follow strength.

12. Write headlines in caps with catchy statements.

13. Pour it on as your position gains momentum. Not your personality.

14. Don't worry about being labeled a "Basher". Newbies won't
know your history.

15. When identified put up a brief fight, then back off. Return in an hour unless your foe is a weak in reasoning powers.

16. Your goal is to limit the momentum of the run. Not to tank the
company or create a plunge in the stock; be subtle and consistent.

17. Kill the dreams of profits, not the company or the stock.

18. Use questions to create critical thinking. Statements to
reinforce facts.

19. DO NOT LIE, NAME CALL or USE PROFANITY.

20. Encourage people to call the company. 99% won't. They'll take your word for claims made. If they do call you can always find something that is inaccurate in how they report their findings.

21. Discourage people from believing Press Releases.
Encourage them to call the company. They won't out of laziness.

22. If the companies history/PR's are negative constantly point to that. Compile a list of this data prior to beginning your efforts.

23. If the price rises blame it on the hype or the PR, temporary
mass reaction, the market, etc. Anything but the stock itself.

24. If other posters share your concerns, play on that and share theirs too.

25. Always cite low volume, even when it's not.

26. Three or four aliases can dominate a board and wear down the longs.

27. Bait the Longs into personal debates putting their
focus/efforts on you and not the stock or facts. Divert their attention from facts.

28. Promote other stocks that would-be investors can turn to
instead of the one your Bashing.

30. Do not fall for challenges on the "values" of what you are doing, it's a game and you are playing it with your own rules.
Grade 'B' Basher:
Very good way with words, always claims to be your "friend" taking the positive poster into confidence, never posts on another board, spends about 60 hours a week.

[verwijderd] 19 juli 2009 14:39

HOW TO IDENTIFY A BASHER

1. Check the "Born on Date" Bashers create identities on a regular basis. Rarely do you find a Basher with older "Created On" date. So click on the Identity icon for more details.

2. Take the time to look at the Basher's history of Posts. Go to other boards and see if their is a pattern to the theme of the posts. Bashers rarely waste time trying to blend in with "positive" posts, unless they are cultivating a new uninformed assistant.

3. When did the Basher show up. Bashers rarely show up when activity is in at a Lull. They show up when activity up/down..

4. Bashers never answer direct questions except with another question.

5. Bashers do work in teams (sometimes themselves as a team). So be suspicious of someone showing up and automatically having a Shadow to converse with who supports their argument.

6. Bashers always select "an argument" that can never be resolved by research.

[verwijderd] 19 juli 2009 14:47

Grade 'B' Basher:
Very good way with words, always claims to be your "friend" taking the positive poster into confidence, never posts on another board, spends about 60 hours a week.

Adek 2001 19 juli 2009 14:55

Wilde weggaan maar werd gefascineerd door het onderwerp gevangen in een topic! Dit zijn nu leuke berichten. En waarschijnlijk helemaal waar. Grappig dat mensen echt alles onderzoeken en uitpluizen.
THX Global!! AB!

[verwijderd] 19 juli 2009 15:06

Adek omdat mensen slecht lezen nog maar eens deze:

BASHERS POST MANY TIMES A DAY. They try to wear you out. They comment on everything, every other post, and can answer every question. THEY KNOW IT ALL! There is no positive comment they won't Bash. They try to control the board.

[verwijderd] 19 juli 2009 15:13

Guess who's "The Big Basher"on this forum??

[verwijderd] 19 juli 2009 15:48

'Mens is nooit op de maan geweest'

www.kranten.com/artikel.html?id=5904277

Groetend, APPIE.

Adek 2001 19 juli 2009 18:36

quote:
Global2 schreef:
Adek omdat mensen slecht lezen nog maar eens deze:

BASHERS POST MANY TIMES A DAY. They try to wear you out. They comment on everything, every other post, and can answer every question. THEY KNOW IT ALL! There is no positive comment they won't Bash. They try to control the board.

Klopt allemaal! lol Nu back on topic!!;)

[verwijderd] 19 juli 2009 20:41

quote:
Global2 schreef:
Adek omdat mensen slecht lezen nog maar eens deze:

BASHERS POST MANY TIMES A DAY. They try to wear you out. They comment on everything, every other post, and can answer every question. THEY KNOW IT ALL! There is no positive comment they won't Bash. They try to control the board.

Global2, u plaatst deze informatie vast niet voor niks. Als u vermoedens hebt dan ben ik daar erg benieuwd naar!

[verwijderd] 19 juli 2009 20:44

HERHALING!! Who's "The Big Basher"on this forum??
Anybody any idea??

[verwijderd] 19 juli 2009 20:52

quote:
Croissant schreef:
HERHALING!! Who's "The Big Basher"on this forum??
Anybody any idea??

Ikke?

Jeliazkov 19 juli 2009 20:55

No no, You're not.
Next?

[verwijderd] 19 juli 2009 21:01

Dan kom je al snel bij de gedragswetenschappen.
En dan als eerste bij het leesgedrag.
Maak je geen illusies.
Mensen zien deze post en denken. Getsie wat een lange post. Dan: getsie wat een lange engelse post. Lezen dus niet. Het handjevol dat dan wel leest, leest het waarschijnlijk alleen. En dan zijn er nog een paar die erover gaan nadenken. En dan zijn er een paar die conclusies trekken. En dan zijn er daar nog een paar van die gaan ontkennen. Want er bij stil staan dat het waar is, zou betekenen dat je je voor de gek hebt laten houden. Dat kunnen we niet hebben.

Dus de honden blaffen en de caravan trekt verder.

[verwijderd] 19 juli 2009 21:08

quote:
Global2 schreef:
Dan kom je al snel bij de gedragswetenschappen.
En dan als eerste bij het leesgedrag.
Maak je geen illusies.
Mensen zien deze post en denken. Getsie wat een lange post. Dan: getsie wat een lange engelse post. Lezen dus niet. Het handjevol dat dan wel leest, leest het waarschijnlijk alleen. En dan zijn er nog een paar die erover gaan nadenken. En dan zijn er een paar die conclusies trekken. En dan zijn er daar nog een paar van die gaan ontkennen. Want er bij stil staan dat het waar is, zou betekenen dat je je voor de gek hebt laten houden. Dat kunnen we niet hebben.

Dus de honden blaffen en de caravan trekt verder.

Ik kan het niet ontkennen, ik dacht getsie, wat een lange Engelse post. Er over nagedacht en mijn conclusie getrokken. Ik heb me voor de gek laten houden. Dat kan ik best hebben hoor.
Groet, Annie.

[verwijderd] 19 juli 2009 21:16

quote:
jeliazkov schreef:
No no, You're not.
Next?

The Ham... who else?!

[verwijderd] 19 juli 2009 21:21

quote:
Hammingh schreef:
[quote=jeliazkov]
No no, You're not.
Next?
[/quote]

The Ham... who else?!

Voor het ultieme bewijs mijn Engelse oneliners...

high trees catch a lot of wind
When the calf has drown... people are restraining the well
when one digs a hole for another... you fall in yourself
better a bird in the hand than 10 in the air....

bewijs genoeg?????

Hammie "The Ham" Hammingh

P.S. in Groningen is het reeds augustus dus... ik meld me weer aan het front. Jullie moeten mijn diepgaande postings hebben gemist.... dat kan niet anders !

Jeliazkov 19 juli 2009 21:24

Lijkt me niet:

1. Be anonymous

:-)

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