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marique
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Eib schreef:

Wat wil de "tegenstemmer" dan?
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Samenwerking op economisch gebied maar ook op gebieden van veiligheid en milieu. Daarbij is het onvermijdelijk dat we wat van onze soevereiniteit verliezen, ik heb daar geen bezwaar tegen.
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Eib, uit alles blijkt dat de tegenstemmer vooral duidelijkheid wil. Burgers zijn het gekonkel en gedraai van politici meer dan zat. Voorbeeld: eenvoudige vraag aan Van Aertsen of Ndl bij de voorbereiding naar de grondwet wellicht de besprekingen wat onderschat had. Goed en helder antwoord zou geweest zijn: Ja!. Daar hoeft geen mens en ook geen politicus zich voor te schamen.
Van A. had vele, halfafgemaakte en onbegrijpelijke zinnen nodig om een rechtstsreeks Ja te vermijden in de ijdele hoop dat de 'domme' luisteraar er wel een Nee van zou maken. Politici begrijpen maar niet dat je met dit soort antwoorden de burger wantrouwend maakt.
Als een verkoper in de winkel een omslachtig antwoord geeft op een simpele vraag van de klant, verkoopt hij niks. Een verkoper begrijpt dit en zal dat niet doen. Een politicus denkt er een goede slag mee te slaan.

De samenwerking en gedeeltijke inperking van eigen soevereiniteit die jij noemt, steun ik van harte. En ik denk dat de meeste nee-stemmers dat ook doen.
En ik zie jou niet als politicus, wel als iemand die serieus nadenkt over dit soort zaken. Daarbij mogen wij best van mening verschillen.

vrgr
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marique schreef:

a) De eurostaat is op lange termijn dus onvermijdelijk.
Maar nogmaals, zonder voldoende waarborgen voor behoud van nationale waarden wordt het niks.

b) De minachting die europolitici voor andersdenkenden tonen, hebben we de laatste weken volop kunnen waarnemen.


c) Toch wel opvallend dat die vooral manifest is in de twee belangrijkste eurolanden Fr. en Dtsl. Dat Ndl. daar ook een beetje in meedraait, is niet van belang. We zijn handelaren en vinden tzt onze klanten wel in Azië.

vrgr
marique
a) dat is jouw mening maar als je ziet hoe de nationale staten zich verzetten bij iedere EU meeting weet ik zeker dat dat niet gebeurt.

b) de politici die nu optreden zijn geen echte europolitici. Het zijn bange wezels die liever niet hun daden willen verantwoorden. Ze zijn dat niet eens in staat. Als ik zie hoe Herman v. Veen, Freek de Jonge en van Dis Europa verdedigen dan is dat hele andere koek. Of oude mensen die de dertiger jaren nog hebben meegemaakt. Mijn schoonvader is 83, en leeft denk ik niet lang meer, heeft toch een andere visie op Europa dan de huidige jongere kiezers die weer denken dat we ons kunnen afsluiten.

c) De kernlanden hebben dezelfde gemeenschappelijke economische ontwikkeling doorgemaakt en bevinden zich op een ander punt in de economische cyclus dan bijv UK (zware crisis in jaren 70), Spanje en Portugal en de latere oost-europese groep.

Het Rijnlandse economische model zit al jaren in een crisis die nog versterkt wordt door de vergrijzing. Dit model is niet houdbaar op de lange termijn.

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marique schreef:

Eib, uit alles blijkt dat de tegenstemmer vooral duidelijkheid wil. Burgers zijn het gekonkel en gedraai van politici meer dan zat. Voorbeeld: eenvoudige vraag aan Van Aertsen of Ndl bij de voorbereiding naar de grondwet wellicht de besprekingen wat onderschat had. Goed en helder antwoord zou geweest zijn: Ja!. Daar hoeft geen mens en ook geen politicus zich voor te schamen.
Van A. had vele, halfafgemaakte en onbegrijpelijke zinnen nodig om een rechtstsreeks Ja te vermijden in de ijdele hoop dat de 'domme' luisteraar er wel een Nee van zou maken. Politici begrijpen maar niet dat je met dit soort antwoorden de burger wantrouwend maakt.
Als een verkoper in de winkel een omslachtig antwoord geeft op een simpele vraag van de klant, verkoopt hij niks. Een verkoper begrijpt dit en zal dat niet doen. Een politicus denkt er een goede slag mee te slaan.

vrgr
marique
Ah, hier vinden we mekaar. Helemaal eens met dit stuk.

Maar ondanks deze overeenkomst stem ik voor de grondwet, maar niet voor de politici.

Mvg
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Ortega
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Eib,
je hebt het alleen maar over 1918-1954 met je europese denkbeelden.

Dan heb ik nog een leuke voor je: Willem van Oranje en de andere stadhouders van de 7 provincien waren de dwang van de spanjaarden helemaal zat in 1580.
Willem wilde ook dat protestanten en calvinisten hun geloof konden uiten.
En ook geen belastingheffingen om een middelandse zee oorlog te financieren voor de spanjolen.

Tolerantie en vrijheid dus, en geen dwang van een of ander machtsbolwerk uit een europees ander land.
Onze Nee stem is vergelijkbaar met een geuzenoverwinning uit die tijd.

Als je zo graag in Einem Grusseres Europaisches Verbund wil wonen dan kan je kiezen uit 20 andere landen.
Auf Wiedersehen.
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Ortega schreef:

Tolerantie en vrijheid dus, en geen dwang van een of ander machtsbolwerk uit een europees ander land.
Tsja, hier zou ik ook tegen zijn, maar dat is niet mijn beeld/perceptie van de EU.

Ik begrijp overigens niet waar je dit beeld vandaan hebt.

Voor 1914 konden we zonder paspoort (klopt dat?) een groot deel van de wereld bereizen. Nu we in Europa bijna weer zover zijn begint de twijfel weer toe te slaan. Waar komt deze angst toch vandaan? Waar zijn jullie toch zo bang voor?

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Ik denk dat het vervelend is dat Frankrijk protectionistisch wordt (Poolse loodgieters e.d.) In pre euro tijdperk zou dat tot een daling van de Franse franc leiden, omdat je er weinig voor kan kopen bij die vroegpensioneerde, veelstakende, kortwerkende veelverdieners. Nu kan dat kostenloos op de euro worden afgewenteld.
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Ortega
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Polen is net zo protectionistisch. Een europeaan kan daar de komende 4 jaar geen huisje kopen. Dus het is gewoon ieder voor zich. Dicht die grenzen.
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Mijn conclusie is dat we uit de EU moeten stappen (wel jammer).
Met zo'n houding tegen de mede europeanen zie ik geen enkele reden waarom we nog in de EU zitten. Wie wil er nou in vredesnaam samenwerken met zulke onbetrouwbare mensen.
Bart Meerdink
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Eib schreef:

Mijn conclusie is dat we uit de EU moeten stappen (wel jammer).
Met zo'n houding tegen de mede europeanen zie ik geen enkele reden waarom we nog in de EU zitten. Wie wil er nou in vredesnaam samenwerken met zulke onbetrouwbare mensen.

Ach, de stemming kan in een flits omslaan. Nederland is zoekende. Er is echt maar één iemand nodig die de spijker op de kop slaat en we krijgen de komende 3 maanden niets anders meer te zien op de televisie ;-)

Het Nederlandse media-landschap: iedereen altijd overal hetzelfde.

En als het aan de VVD ligt hebben we dan meteen een nieuwe premier in plaats van JPB.
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je zou bijna denken dat we een soort "ubermenschen" zouden zijn. Wat in Italia gebeurt daar horen wij ons niet voor te moeten verantwoorden. Berlusconi neemt wetten aanwaardoor die zelf nooit gestraft kan worden. Eu-subsidies werden ongelooflijk misbruikt (superheffing koeien, oormerken etx)Situatie Parmalat dat zijn toch zaken die geen nedl. zou doen toch ?
Zou de Italiaan nu een beter mens zijn dan als die niet in de EU zat ?
In Nedl. zie je toch ook steeds meer zaken waar we dachten dat het hier niet bestond. (ING financier van Endstra),voorkennis affaires een politicus die binnen 6 uur weg moet. 1 milj. arbeidsongeschikten. (?)
Hoe vaak zie je niet op lokaal nivo dat toevallig een medewerker van de gemeente wel een stukkie grond heeft kunnen kopen of wel heeft mogen verbouwen. Allemaal verpaupering zou dat de bijdrage van Italia aan de EU zijn ?
Zo kan ik nog wel een rijtje opnoemen, Kohls omkoopschandaal,etc..
De idee is nu dat door Ja te stemmen dat je dan de identiteit verliest waar je zo trots op bent, dat geldt kennenlijk voor alle landen. Ik dacht dat het er juist op neerkwam dat je met elkaar afspreekt hoe je juist wel met elkaar overweg zou kunnen juist omdat we allemaal menen verschillend te zijn.
Wat ik dus sterk betwijfel.
Nog zoiets raars , de werkgevers zijn voor , de vakbonden ook , maar de nederlanders zijn tegen, ik maar denken dat het aantal werklozen , wao ers
afgenomen was.
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even ter overdenking(posting van CRXLforum, dat ik hier ook wel op zijn plaats vond):

PROTOCOL BETREFFENDE DE VOORRECHTEN EN IMMUNITEITEN VAN DE EUROPESE UNIE

HOOFDSTUK I

EIGENDOMMEN, FONDSEN, BEZITTINGEN EN VERRICHTINGEN VAN DE UNIE

Artikel 1
De gebouwen en terreinen van de Unie zijn onschendbaar.
Zij zijn vrijgesteld van huiszoeking, vordering, verbeurdverklaring of onteigening. De eigendommen en bezittingen van de Unie kunnen zonder toestemming van het Hof van Justitie niet worden getroffen door enige dwangmaatregel van bestuursrechtelijke of gerechtelijke aard.

Artikel 2
Het archief van de Unie is onschendbaar.

Kortom; de Unie kan niet ter verantwoording geroepen worden dan door haar eigen Hof. Dat Europese Hof bestaat dan weer (geheel toevallig) uit rechters, die niet alleen rechtspreken, maar ook de wet interpreteren en zelfs wetten zelf kunnen maken.

Een flagrante schending van de Scheiding der Machten. In de praktijk komt dit artikel er op neer, dat niemand hen ter verantwoording kan roepen, tenzij ze er zelf zin in hebben. Ook het Europarlement heeft geen recht om de instellingen van de Unie tot verantwoording te dwingen, wanneer zij die niet willen geven. Zo zijn de ambtenaren van Brussel en Straatsburg volkomen oppermachtig geworden.

Terugdraaien hiervan is zeer moeilijk, zo niet onmogelijk. Want als enige grondwet op deze Aarde, kunnen er slechts wijzigingen in aangebrachten worden bij unanimiteit van alle lidstaten. Overal gaat het per stemming bij 2/3 of 3/4 meerderkeid, behalve bij dit gedrocht.

ivet(posting van Yinx)
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Zo moeilijk te begrijpen is het allemaal niet hoor. Zoals in elke vorm van relatie gaat het om vertrouwen. Nationale politici zitten al jaren bij de bevolking in een vertrouwenscrisis en Europese ministers komen over het algemeen alleen negatief in het nieuws (fraude, zakkenvullers). Wantrouwen ontstaat als er te weinig draagvlak is voor het gevoerde beleid maar desondanks willens en wetens toch wordt doorgedrukt. Deze halsstarrige houding van regeringsleiders wordt nu fataal, zo werkt dat in een democratie.
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Subsidiarity and the Illusion of Democratic Control
John Bercow MP

Contents
Introduction
The Maastricht Treaty
The Amsterdam Treaty
The European Constitution
Subsidiarity - Mixed Messages and a Record of Failure
Conclusion
Notes and References

Introduction
FOR OVER A decade, in response to anxieties expressed about the gradual shift of decision making power from this country to the European Union, the doctrine of subsidiarity has been hailed as the saviour of British sovereignty. The Major and Blair governments alike argued that it would ensure that decisions were taken at the level closest to the citizen and they have been content to give the impression that it would halt the juggernaut towards a centralised Europe.

In practice, there have been mixed messages from ministers about the purpose of subsidiarity. Ultimately, it must be judged by its effect. At best, it is a sop to those concerned with the preservation of self government; at worst, it is a cloak which seeks to disguise the ever increasing arrogation of powers to the institutions of the European Union.

The purpose of this paper is to examine the background to the debate about subsidiarity and its younger blood brother, proportionality. Beginning at the negotiations over the Maastricht Treaty, continuing at Amsterdam and now in the discussions over the draft European Constitution, we see the chasm between the safety valve which supporters said subsidiarity would be and the dangerous deception that it has proved.

The Maastricht Treaty
As Prime Minister, John Major, not least because of his experience as a Government Whip, knew that he had a tough task to persuade his own MPs that the forthcoming Maastricht Treaty would not herald a large sacrifice of British independence. He was also conscious of a growing public anxiety that European Community diktat was becoming ever more widespread. Attempting to reassure colleagues and voters alike, he pressed his counterparts to include in the Treaty a clause on subsidiarity that could be seen as a protection of the rights of national parliaments. In fact, the doctrine of subsidiarity is not novel but, rather, it had been espoused by the Vatican in Rome when Mussolini was in power. Enshrining the concept in Article G(5)1 of the Maastricht Treaty, however, European Community leaders said it meant that decisions should be taken at the lowest possible level. What does the Article say and what does it really mean ?

"In areas which do not fall within its exclusive competence, the Community shall take action, in accordance of the principle of subsidiarity, only if and insofar as the objectives of the proposed action cannot be sufficiently achieved by the Member States and can therefore, by reason of the scale or effects of the proposed action, be better achieved by the Community."1

Two objections to this immediately arise. First, the Article is not saying that action will be taken at the lowest level, as its supporters claim, but rather that the Community shall act if it judges it necessary to do so.

Secondly, if there is a dispute between the European Union and a Member State as to which should be empowered to act, it is justiciable by the European Court of Justice. It is not an impartial arbiter but a body which is committed to European integration and which prides itself on a 'dynamic' approach to EU law. In the Court's hands, application of the law has often been replaced by its invention. This hardly inspires confidence in the likely efficacy of subsidiarity. Moreover, it can be argued that the notion of subsidiarity, far from being a tool of decentralisation, is in fact an admission that powers rest with the European state and that it will decide which of them it delegates. Anyone tempted to dismiss such a notion as the paranoia of euro sceptics should remember the verdict of the former President of the European Commission, Jacques Delors, as long ago as 1991. Referring to subsidiarity, he said "It only makes sense in a federal approach."2

In any case, despite the conviction in some quarters that subsidiarity would check the growth of European federalism, the tortuous wording of the Article warranted the description of it by Lord Mackenzie Stuart, a former President of the European Court of Justice, as "a rich and prime example of gobbledygook". 3 He averred that to regard it as a constitutional safeguard showed "great optimism".4

There was, ultimately, a test of the robustness of the provision. On March 12 1996, the Advocate General gave his opinion on Britain's attempted annulment of the Working Time Directive. He said:

"In view of the fact that the objective provided for in Article 118A is harmonization, there is no doubt that the aim of the contested objective can be better achieved by action at Community level than by action at national level." 5

This Opinion was reflected in the Judgement of the Court of Justice on 12th November 1996. So those who entertained the hope that, courtesy of the subsidiarity doctrine, we would be able to preserve sovereignty in respect of our domestic working practices were rudely disabused of the idea. On the Second Reading of the Bill to implement the Maastricht Treaty, John Major claimed that the Treaty had begun to reverse the "centralising trend" in the Community and he cited in support the insertion of "a legally binding text on subsidiarity". 6 This case punctured his optimism.

Given the chastening effect of the test case, the author was surprised in May 1998 to hear the then Foreign Secretary, Robin Cook, claim that "as a result of the negotiations at Maastricht, 12 different regulations were dropped" 7. He did not list the 12 and his claim is flatly contradicted by an earlier Answer from Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean to Lord Pearson of Rannoch. Asked to list the legislative proposals withdrawn by the European Commission since 1994 on grounds of subsidiarity, she replied "Each year the Commission withdraws a number of proposals. There is no specific list of those withdrawn on grounds of subsidiarity." 8

In the five and a half years after the Maastricht Treaty came into force, and before its supersession by the Amsterdam Treaty, a further 2,390 European Directives, Regulations and Decisions were enacted. So much for the argument that subsidiarity would restore national decision making.

The Amsterdam Treaty
The Blair Government knew that subsidiarity had not lived up to its advance billing in the UK. Equally, those Continental federalists who feared that the Maastricht version might yet prove a lever for decentralisation wanted to revisit the issue. The result of these conflicting ambitions was the Amsterdam Treaty's Protocol on the Application of the Principles of Subsidiarity and Proportionality. This was sold by the Prime Minister to the House of Commons as a provision with "real teeth"9 to safeguard our independence. In fact, it makes a bad situation worse. Section 2 states:

"The application of the Principles of Subsidiarity and Proportionality shall respect the general provisions and objectives of the Treaty, particularly as regards the maintaining in full of the acquis communautaire and the institutional balance; it shall not affect the principles developed by the Court of Justice regarding the relationship between national and Community law, and it should take into account Article F (4) of the Treaty on European Union, according
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The Maastricht Treaty
As Prime Minister, John Major, not least because of his experience as a Government Whip, knew that he had a tough task to persuade his own MPs that the forthcoming Maastricht Treaty would not herald a large sacrifice of British independence. He was also conscious of a growing public anxiety that European Community diktat was becoming ever more widespread. Attempting to reassure colleagues and voters alike, he pressed his counterparts to include in the Treaty a clause on subsidiarity that could be seen as a protection of the rights of national parliaments. In fact, the doctrine of subsidiarity is not novel but, rather, it had been espoused by the Vatican in Rome when Mussolini was in power. Enshrining the concept in Article G(5)1 of the Maastricht Treaty, however, European Community leaders said it meant that decisions should be taken at the lowest possible level. What does the Article say and what does it really mean ?

"In areas which do not fall within its exclusive competence, the Community shall take action, in accordance of the principle of subsidiarity, only if and insofar as the objectives of the proposed action cannot be sufficiently achieved by the Member States and can therefore, by reason of the scale or effects of the proposed action, be better achieved by the Community."1

Two objections to this immediately arise. First, the Article is not saying that action will be taken at the lowest level, as its supporters claim, but rather that the Community shall act if it judges it necessary to do so.

Secondly, if there is a dispute between the European Union and a Member State as to which should be empowered to act, it is justiciable by the European Court of Justice. It is not an impartial arbiter but a body which is committed to European integration and which prides itself on a 'dynamic' approach to EU law. In the Court's hands, application of the law has often been replaced by its invention. This hardly inspires confidence in the likely efficacy of subsidiarity. Moreover, it can be argued that the notion of subsidiarity, far from being a tool of decentralisation, is in fact an admission that powers rest with the European state and that it will decide which of them it delegates. Anyone tempted to dismiss such a notion as the paranoia of euro sceptics should remember the verdict of the former President of the European Commission, Jacques Delors, as long ago as 1991. Referring to subsidiarity, he said "It only makes sense in a federal approach."2

In any case, despite the conviction in some quarters that subsidiarity would check the growth of European federalism, the tortuous wording of the Article warranted the description of it by Lord Mackenzie Stuart, a former President of the European Court of Justice, as "a rich and prime example of gobbledygook". 3 He averred that to regard it as a constitutional safeguard showed "great optimism".4

There was, ultimately, a test of the robustness of the provision. On March 12 1996, the Advocate General gave his opinion on Britain's attempted annulment of the Working Time Directive. He said:

"In view of the fact that the objective provided for in Article 118A is harmonization, there is no doubt that the aim of the contested objective can be better achieved by action at Community level than by action at national level." 5

This Opinion was reflected in the Judgement of the Court of Justice on 12th November 1996. So those who entertained the hope that, courtesy of the subsidiarity doctrine, we would be able to preserve sovereignty in respect of our domestic working practices were rudely disabused of the idea. On the Second Reading of the Bill to implement the Maastricht Treaty, John Major claimed that the Treaty had begun to reverse the "centralising trend" in the Community and he cited in support the insertion of "a legally binding text on subsidiarity". 6 This case punctured his optimism.

Given the chastening effect of the test case, the author was surprised in May 1998 to hear the then Foreign Secretary, Robin Cook, claim that "as a result of the negotiations at Maastricht, 12 different regulations were dropped" 7. He did not list the 12 and his claim is flatly contradicted by an earlier Answer from Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean to Lord Pearson of Rannoch. Asked to list the legislative proposals withdrawn by the European Commission since 1994 on grounds of subsidiarity, she replied "Each year the Commission withdraws a number of proposals. There is no specific list of those withdrawn on grounds of subsidiarity." 8

In the five and a half years after the Maastricht Treaty came into force, and before its supersession by the Amsterdam Treaty, a further 2,390 European Directives, Regulations and Decisions were enacted. So much for the argument that subsidiarity would restore national decision making.

The Amsterdam Treaty
The Blair Government knew that subsidiarity had not lived up to its advance billing in the UK. Equally, those Continental federalists who feared that the Maastricht version might yet prove a lever for decentralisation wanted to revisit the issue. The result of these conflicting ambitions was the Amsterdam Treaty's Protocol on the Application of the Principles of Subsidiarity and Proportionality. This was sold by the Prime Minister to the House of Commons as a provision with "real teeth"9 to safeguard our independence. In fact, it makes a bad situation worse. Section 2 states:

"The application of the Principles of Subsidiarity and Proportionality shall respect the general provisions and objectives of the Treaty, particularly as regards the maintaining in full of the acquis communautaire and the institutional balance; it shall not affect the principles developed by the Court of Justice regarding the relationship between national and Community law, and it should take into account Article F (4) of the Treaty on European Union, according to which " the Union shall provide itself with the means necessary to attain its objectives and carry through its policies" ".10

This is a far cry from the blueprint for decentralisation which its advocates, from the Prime Minister downwards, are wont to claim. It reaffirms the primacy of the doctrines of the occupied field and the acquis communautaire. The latter currently runs to approximately 97,000 pages. In any field of policy in which the EU has established a competence, it will have a right to act again and anyone seeking to prevent it from doing so on the ground of subsidiarity will face an uphill struggle.

Section 3 of the Protocol complements and reinforces Section 2. It states:

"The principle of subsidiarity does not call into question the powers conferred on the European Community by the Treaty, as interpreted by the Court of Justice...The principle of subsidiarity provides a guide as to how those powers are to be exercised at the Community level."11

It goes on to refer to subsidiarity as a "dynamic concept" which allows "Community action within the limits of its powers to be expanded where circumstances so require, and conversely, to be restricted or discontinued where it is no longer justified."12

Apologists for the Protocol have sought to argue that the danger of expanded Community action is avoided or minimized by virtue of the criteria which should be met before Community action can be taken. However, closer analysis offers little ground for optimism on this front. What ar
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Apologists for the Protocol have sought to argue that the danger of expanded Community action is avoided or minimized by virtue of the criteria which should be met before Community action can be taken. However, closer analysis offers little ground for optimism on this front. What are the criteria? First, for Community action to be taken, an issue should be "transnational" in character. Of course, there is for this purpose no definition as to what constitutes transnational. For example, many would argue that the regulation of working hours is not a matter of transnational concern but, rather, an issue solely for elected politicians in their national legislature. Others might contend that it is a proper preoccupation of the European Union, especially since the establishment of the Single Market. As we have seen, when the issue was put to the test, with the European Court of Justice as umpire, the centralists won.

Secondly, in order for Community action to be taken, it should be necessary for the requirements of the Treaty to be fulfilled. This is scarcely reassuring because all that it appears to require is that those who want maximum Community action should draft clauses in the treaties that are sufficiently broad to require or allow such action. It is a matter of historical record that the Community has devised objectives both noble and wide which are enshrined in Community law and in Treaty obligations. Precisely how those objectives are to be fulfilled is often left open because Member States know that there are differences between them over how the objectives would be interpreted.

The British have often been reassured, not least by the government of the day, that there is no need to worry because the high falutin' declarations in the Treaty are simply in accordance with the Continental approach to law making, rather than the British insistence on specificity. Yet, all too often, at a later stage, as we discovered to our cost over working hours, we are told that we signed the Treaty and the words clearly mean what most of the Member States say that they mean. Therefore, when the Community legislates, we have no success if we object that it should not be doing so.

Thirdly, the Protocol stipulates that there should be benefits in scale or effect as a result of Community action. The British Government, when it lodged an appeal in 1994, contended that there were disbenefits in scale and effect of the Working Time Directive that should have prevented its adoption - but they did not.

The conclusion is irresistible. The talk of tests that have to be met before Community action can be taken offers cold comfort. There is none that is absolute, dependable or even encouraging to those who believe that Britain has often been misled and betrayed by the process of EU treaty making.

Fourthly, under the Protocol, the Commission is required to "consult widely before proposing legislation and, wherever appropriate, publish consultation documents". This is a procedural nicety but no more than that. It constitutes no check on the legislative ambitions of the Commission whatsoever. All the evidence is that the Commission will continue to do in the future what it has done in the past - namely, to identify new policies and proceed to implement them.

Fifthly, there is a difference, as significant as it is little noticed, between subsidiarity and proportionality. In paragraph 5 of the Protocol, subsidiarity is linked to the "objectives of the proposed action".13 If, therefore, a nation state were able to show that it could, legislating and acting domestically, sufficiently achieve those objectives, it could throw out, or free its own citizens from, a European Directive on the subject. Any such hope is removed by Paragraph 2 of the Amsterdam Protocol, if a proposed European action could be shown to be based on the existing acquis communautaire. Moreover, any objection to a Directive would also fail if it could be shown that it was consistent with, or based upon, the principles developed by the European Court of Justice as regards the relationship between Community and national law. Most seriously, proportionality is not defined by reference to the objectives of the proposed action but, instead, it is the principle "according to which any action by the Community shall not go beyond what is necessary to achieve the objectives of the Treaty."14 The trouble with this is that the objectives of the Treaty are invariably judged to be of such grand intention and so wide in scope as to justify any action considered necessary to fulfil them. The author is not aware of any instance in which the Commission has considered or proposed a Directive only to learn that the rule of proportionality would prevent its implementation.

Between 1st May 1999, when the Amsterdam Treaty came into force, and 31st January 2003, when it was overtaken by the Nice Treaty, a further 1,269 Directives, Regulations and Decisions were enacted.

When challenged on the floor of the House of Commons in May 2003 as to whether he could identify a Directive or Regulation that has been repealed under the terms of the Amsterdam Protocol, the answer of the Foreign Secretary was in stark contrast to the breast beating triumphalism of the Prime Minister on the same issue in June 1997. Jack Straw replied "No, and the practice has been unsatisfactory." 15 Realising that there was no mileage in seeking to defend the indefensible, he immediately sought to shift attention instead to the possibility of securing an improvement in subsidiarity in the negotiations over the draft European Constitution. As we shall see, praying in aid that forthcoming document was probably as unwise as it was portentous.

The European Constitution
What is striking about the Protocol on subsidiarity in the Draft European Constitution is not its difference from the text of the existing Amsterdam Protocol but the similarity to it. There is no acknowledgement of European over-regulation. There is no acknowledgement of the need for decentralisation. There is no acknowledgement that the EU has done too much too badly and should do rather less rather better.

The new draft Protocol specifies that the case for action at Union level "must be substantiated by qualitative and, wherever possible, quantitative indicators."16 The Amsterdam Protocol said much the same.

The new draft Protocol requires the Commission to take account of the need for any burden of a proposal to be kept to the minimum necessary to achieve its objective. The Amsterdam Protocol said much the same.

The new draft Protocol stipulates that "before proposing legislative acts, the Commission shall consult widely."17 The Amsterdam Protocol said much the same.

The main difference in the new draft text is the suggestion that where an objection, supported by at least one third of the voting strength of the Member States, is made to a Commission proposal, "the Commission shall review its proposal".18 Ministers have trumpeted their backing for this idea. Yet the idea amounts to very little for the text of the draft Constitution goes on to state that "after such review, the Commission may decide to maintain, amend or withdraw its proposal", limply adding that "the Commission shall give reasons for its decision."19 It is no wonder that the European Scrutiny Committee - being properly sceptical in the best sense of that much maligned term - described the propo
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Yet the idea amounts to very little for the text of the draft Constitution goes on to state that "after such review, the Commission may decide to maintain, amend or withdraw its proposal", limply adding that "the Commission shall give reasons for its decision."19 It is no wonder that the European Scrutiny Committee - being properly sceptical in the best sense of that much maligned term - described the proposal as "inadequate because objections by the specified proportion of national parliaments could simply be overridden by the Commission".2020

Subsidiarity - Mixed Messages and a Record of Failure
The brief history of subsidiarity recounted above is not auspicious. None but the most gullible believer in Prime Ministerial assurances could view it as a trusty safeguard against the EU ratchet. To do so would be a triumph of hope over experience.

For their part, Ministers have used different and contradictory arguments to justify subsidiarity. First, successive Ministers for Europe have held that the purpose of it is not to give decision making rights to national parliaments. In a Written Parliamentary Answer, Keith Vaz told my colleague, Peter Lilley, "subsidiarity is not about the repatriation of powers to Member States. Rather, it is about ensuring that where the Treaty already allows for action at both EU and Member State level, the most appropriate level is chosen each time action is required."21

In similar vein, responding to a Question from my colleague, Sir Teddy Taylor, Peter Hain observed "subsidiarity is not about returning powers to the Member States", but about choosing "the most appropriate level"22 for action. Finally, on 11th March 2003, Denis MacShane told my colleague, John Redwood, that "The UK Government have not tabled any proposals in the Convention to return powers from the EU to the UK. We are content with the existing division of powers. We have, however, tabled proposals to strengthen the subsidiarity and proportionality principles to ensure that the EU only acts where it adds value to national action."23 This downbeat stance is a long way from the optimism of Tony Blair in 1997, the boast of Robin Cook in 1998 and the admission of failure of Jack Straw in May 2003.

A second defence propagated by Ministers is that subsidiarity has succeeded in that the volume of new EU legislation has reduced. Let us be clear. The argument here is not that there has been a net reduction in the huge load of European law or that areas of public policy have been handed back to Member States to control. It is the altogether more prosaic claim that the rate of increase in the number of EU laws has been reduced. Even this contention is highly debatable. For example, Pollack reports continued regulation in environment, consumer protection and the collection of statistics. Moreover, studying the gamut of regulation in six issue areas, namely the internal market and industrial policy; the right of establishment and freedom to provide services; environment, consumer protection and health; free movement of workers and social policy; science, information, education and culture; and economic and monetary union and the free movement of capital, he demonstrates that the pace of EU regulation during the latter half of the 1990s "has been consistently greater than the period between the adoption of the Single Act and Maastricht".24 Pointing out that the EU is now "an active legislator across a full range of issue areas"25, and from studying the legislative record, he concludes that "EU regulation has continued its relentless growth throughout the last four decades - even in times of political crisis and economic austerity"26.

It is clear that repatriation of powers to the United Kingdom has not happened, cannot be expected and, in all probability, was never seriously intended. The 106 words of Article G(5) of the Maastricht Treaty were replaced by the 1,261 word Protocol on Subsidiarity and Proportionality in the Amsterdam Treaty and the Protocol in the Draft Constitutional Treaty consists of a further 742 words. In essence, it has been the lot of national parliaments to put up with words, words and more words which are but a cover for the legislative imperialism of the European Union. As if this were not bad enough, two further factors give cause for concern amongst all who believe that further losses of sovereignty would be against our national interest.

First, the Draft Constitutional Treaty for the European Union27 lists the areas of proposed legislative competence. It reaffirms that the Union shall have exclusive competence over competition rules for the Internal Market, and over monetary policy for euro zone members, common commercial policy, customs union and the conservation of marine biological resources under the Common Fisheries Policy. Furthermore, it proposes that the Union shall be granted exclusive competence for the conclusion of international agreements.

It proposes that shared competence shall apply "in the following principal areas"28:

internal market
area of freedom, security and justice
agriculture and fisheries, excluding the conservation of marine biological resources
transport and trans-European networks
energy
social policy, for aspects defined in Part III
economic, social and territorial cohesion
environment
consumer protection
common safety concerns in public health matters
In addition, the Union will have limited competence in research, technological development and space, development co-operation and humanitarian aid.

Article 16 of the Draft Treaty also lists areas of supporting, co-ordinating or complementary action, including industry; protection and improvement of human health; education, vocational training, youth and sport; culture; and civil protection.

It is clear from the above list that the Union proposes to act across a vastly increased canvas of public policy. For example, Article 14 of the Draft Treaty proposes that the Union shall have "competence to promote and co-ordinate the economic and employment policies of the Member States."29 Although the Union has previously regarded aspects of such policy as matters of common concern, the new Article and the reference to competence, offer the clearest signal yet to students of European Treaties that our partners intend a step change forward in the extent of their decision making powers.

The very meaning of shared competence, as devised by the treaty makers, is bizarre. The Draft Treaty proposes in Article 11 that where power is shared, "The Member States shall exercise their competence to the extend that the Union has not exercised, or has decided to cease exercising, its competence."30 In other words, if the Union decides to legislate on a subject, the Member States are prohibited from doing so. The word "sharing" seems peculiarly inappropriate to describe the power relationship between the Union and the Member States in these circumstances.

Secondly, on top of the expected relinquishment of the national veto in at least30 areas, a threat is posed by the so-called passerelle clause (Article 1-24 (4) ).31 Under this, the European Council would be able to agree to abolish all that remains subject to the national veto, decreeing that it be subject instead to qualified majority voting. Neither the House of Commons nor the British people would have any say in the matter.

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As if all the above were not damaging enough to the autonomy of nation states, Article 17, the infamous "Flexibility clause" further strengthens the Union relative to them. It prescribes that "if action by the Union should prove necessary...to attain one of the objectives set by the Constitution, and the Constitution has not provided the necessary powers, the Council of Ministers, acting unanimously on a proposal from the Commission and after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament, shall take the appropriate measures".32 It does not require a vivid imagination, but merely a basic familiarity with the legislative track record of the European Union, to envisage circumstances in which this Article would be invoked. Democratically elected Members of national Parliaments would be impotent to do anything about it as the Article implicitly acknowledges in the highhanded statement that "the Commission shall draw Member States' national Parliaments' attention" to proposals under this procedure. The effrontery is breathtaking, yet the British Government remains untroubled by it.

Conclusion
Subsidiarity and proportionality have failed. The growth of EU law making continues unabated. Too much power has been taken over too long a period for too little benefit or justification. It is hardly surprising that there is a pervasive public cynicism about politics as millions of people see the EU developing in a way that they had not expected, that they do not want, but that they are largely powerless to resist.

It is time to stop and to reverse the ratchet whereby the United Kingdom is drifting towards a European State. There is a noble alternative - to develop the European Union as a partnership of free trading, outward looking nation states, which co-operate with each other when it is necessary and compete with each other when it is not. To fashion such an arrangement will require vision, courage and leadership. Such qualities have not been displayed in abundance in the first three decades of our EU membership. Make no mistake. We need them now.

Notes and References
Article 3b of the Treaty Establishing the European Community
Jacques Delors colloquium entitled Subsidiarity - Guiding Principles for the Future of EC Policy and Responsibility - March 1991
The Times - 15 June 1992
Ibid.
Advocate General Leger in European Court of Justice Case C-84/94; Common Market Law Reports Vol.77 1996 pp.671-723 (1996) 3 CMLR 671
Official Report, 20 May 1992, vol. 208, cols. 265-266
Official Report, 12 May 1998, vol. 312, col. 148
Official Report, 26 March 1998, vol. 587, col. 255
Official Report, 18 June 1997, vol. 296, col. 314 - Statement by the Prime Minister on the European Council in Amsterdam
Protocol on the Application of the Principles of Subsidiarity and Proportionality in the Treaty of Amsterdam Cm. 4434 - August 1999
Ibid.
Ibid.
Ibid.
Ibid.
Official Report, 21 May 2003, vol. 405, col. 1023
Protocol on the Application of the Principles of Subsidiarity and Proportionality in the Draft Constitutional Treaty for the European Union CM 5897 - August 2003.
Ibid.
Ibid.
Ibid.
European Scrutiny Committee 24th Report The Convention on the Future of Europe and the Role of National Parliaments, HC 63-XXIV- 16 June 2003
Official Report, 9 January 2001, vol. 360, col. 508w
Official Report, 27 November 2001, vol. 375, col. 801w
Official Report, 11 March 2003, vol. 401, col 157w
Mark A Pollack "EU Policy-Making Since Maastricht" in the Journal of Common Market Studies Vol. 38 (3) September 2000, p. 529-536
Ibid.
Ibid.
Cm. 5897 - August 2003
Ibid.
Ibid.
Ibid.
Ibid.
Ibid.
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-Compound the EU's economic dislocation by encoding in law the social-market economic model responsible for the continent's low growth and high unemployment. Article 14 will allow the EU to standardise the employment and social policies of member states. Article 7 incorporates into EU law the Charter of Fundamental Rights (PDF). This will add new burdens onto British business.
- Ensure that National Parliaments lose significant powers to the EU institutions. The right of member states to stop damaging EU legislation will end, as Qualified Majority Voting (QMV) will be extended into 40 new areas. The Constitution may even allow for the national veto to be entirely abolished. In particular, Article 24.4 (the passerelle clause) and Article 17 (the flexibility clause) will allow the European Council to extend QMV and the EU's powers.
- Expand the Union's powers into Justice and Home Affairs. Article 158 gives the EU power over external border controls and internal security. Article 170 allows the EU with powers to standardise civil law. Articles 171 - 175 allow for the standardisation of criminal laws and procedure. 176 - 178 will give the EU powers to co-ordinate policing.
- Develop a common EU foreign and Security Policy. Article 27 will create an EU Minister for Foreign Affairs who "shall conduct the Union's common foreign and security policy".
- Make the EU institutions the UK's real government. Article 10 gives primacy to EU law. Articles 11, 12 & 13 will give the EU the right to forbid member states from making laws in almost all areas, handing instead even more power to the remote, unaccountable and undemocratic EU institutions.
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