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Chiddix
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In de U.S.A. stijgen de besmettingen sterk overal aan de zuidgrens.
Wat roept de school van de Hond dan? Air Conditioning!!!

Zo simpel is het leven in een sekte.
Bijlage:
leek2018
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gokker schreef op 3 juli 2020 08:10:

In de U.S.A. stijgen de besmettingen sterk overal aan de zuidgrens.
Wat roept de school van de Hond dan? Air Conditioning!!!

Zo simpel is het leven in een sekte.
De zuidgrens is toch met Mexico. Wat De Hond roept weet ik niet, maar ik roep dan dat het virus ook ever een muur kan klimmen.
Chiddix
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In de uitzending op NPO1 vertelde men, 1 op de 250000 wordt thans besmet = 70 x 250000 = 17500000 inwoners. Dus 70 gevallen per dag. Beter omschreven, men vindt er 70 per dag afhankelijk hoeveel je er test?
leek2018
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Chiddix schreef op 3 juli 2020 08:17:

In de uitzending op NPO1 vertelde men, 1 op de 250000 wordt thans besmet = 70 x 250000 = 17500000 inwoners. Dus 70 gevallen per dag. Beter omschreven, men vindt er 70 per dag afhankelijk hoeveel je er test?
Is ook weer zo'n onware uitspraak. Kan je alleen maar stellen als de tests Random (willekeurig) zijn en dat is niet het geval.
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leek2018 schreef op 3 juli 2020 08:17:

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De zuidgrens is toch met Mexico. Wat De Hond roept weet ik niet, maar ik roep dan dat het virus ook ever een muur kan klimmen.
De meeste gebieden grenzen niet aan Mexico maar aan de zee.
leek2018
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gokker schreef op 3 juli 2020 08:30:

Israel heeft vermoedelijk ook veel airco's.
Zeker veel meer dan Palestina. De oliestaten in die regio hebben ook veel airco's en veel besmettingen.
rob77
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gokker schreef op 3 juli 2020 08:10:

In de U.S.A. stijgen de besmettingen sterk overal aan de zuidgrens.
Wat roept de school van de Hond dan? Air Conditioning!!!

Zo simpel is het leven in een sekte.
Zegt wel iets over de 'selection-bias' in de media .... Zoeken naar plekken op de aarde waar een toename van 'besmettingen' schijnt plaats te vinden. De sterftecijfers door corona en vooral de algehele oversterfte is momenteel geen nieuwsitem.
Ed Verbeek
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gokker schreef op 3 juli 2020 08:10:

In de U.S.A. stijgen de besmettingen sterk overal aan de zuidgrens.
Wat roept de school van de Hond dan? Air Conditioning!!!
Klopt.
Zo simpel is het
:-)

Daar komen deze verschijnselen nog eens bij, die het hoge aantal positive testings mede verklaren:

"Good morning,

I am the Managing Partner and General Counsel of a Texas based company that owns and operates 13 free-standing emergency clinics in the State of Texas. I follow your reporting and wanted to share with you some information on Texas. I want people to hear this story as opposed to the mainstream reporting. However, I am sensitive about putting a target on myself or my company for conveying this information. I am not sure how you’ve handled this type of situation but I suspect you’ve had other people send you information who are concerned about becoming a target.

In June, we tested over 2,231 patients (data through last Thursday). Positive rate is now close to 20% (was 4-6% in May). Vast majority of the cases are mild to very mild symptoms. Average age of the people getting tested in mid-30s.

Very different patient (in terms of age) than we’ve seen before June. Most of these patients would not have met criteria that we previously had (and all the health facilities had) for Covid testing. Now with more testing kits we are able to test a broader group of patients.

Clinically, we’ve had very few hospital transfers because of Covid. Vast majority of the patients are better within 2-3 days of the visit and most would be described as having a cold (a mild one at that) or the symptoms related to allergies. We’ve often provided a steroid shot and some antibiotics. By the time we have follow-up calls, most of the patients are no longer experiencing any symptoms. They often say the shot really made a difference.

In terms of what is driving them to the ER — Roughly 1/2 have been told by their employers to get a test. They have a sneeze or a cough and their employer tells them to go get tested. The other 1/2 just want to know. They have mild symptoms (and some don’t have any symptoms but game the system and check a box that they have a symptom so they can get a test — they cannot get a test unless they present with symptoms. If they have no symptoms we send them away — which does happen.)

The average length of stay of Covid patients is 3-5 days. Much lower than the patients being seen in April and early May. Their symptoms are also milder. Most of the patients are not ending up in the ICU. The hospital ICUs are filled with really sick people with non-Covid issues. They [didn’t] come in earlier because they were scared and now they are super sick. From multiple sources at different hospitals — they have plenty of capacity and no shortage of acute care beds.

No real data on breakdown of patients who have Covid but are not in the hospital because of Covid. Recognition that because all patients are tested for Covid you have some percentage of patients listed as Covid patients who are non Covid symptomatic and that the hospitalization rate is somewhat driven by hospitals taking their normal patients with other medical issues.

Finally, heard several stories of how discharge planners are being pressured to put Covid as primary diagnosis — as that pays significantly better. Hospitals want to avoid the discussion but if they don’t they risk another shutdown. This may be an explanation for why there is a gap in hospital executives saying they have plenty of capacity and the increasing number of Covid hospitalizations. You open up your hospitals for normal medical care and you test everyone (sic) of those patients — the result is higher percentage of patients who have Covid — now.

Overall, based on what we are seeing at our facilities, the above information is really a positive story. You have more people testing positive with really minimal symptoms. This means that the fatality rate is less than commonly reported."

(uit: www.aier.org/article/why-we-should-no... )
leek2018
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rob77 schreef op 3 juli 2020 08:48:

[...]

Zegt wel iets over de 'selection-bias' in de media .... Zoeken naar plekken op de aarde waar een toename van 'besmettingen' schijnt plaats te vinden. De sterftecijfers door corona en vooral de algehele oversterfte is momenteel geen nieuwsitem.
De doden zijn wel het gevolg van besmettingen.Maar grote getallen spreken meer aan dan kleine getallen.
leek2018
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Ed Verbeek schreef op 3 juli 2020 08:51:

[...]Klopt.
Zo simpel is het
:-)

Daar komen deze verschijnselen nog eens bij, die het hoge aantal positive testings mede verklaren:

"Good morning,

I am the Managing Partner and General Counsel of a Texas based company that owns and operates 13 free-standing emergency clinics in the State of Texas. I follow your reporting and wanted to share with you some information on Texas. I want people to hear this story as opposed to the mainstream reporting. However, I am sensitive about putting a target on myself or my company for conveying this information. I am not sure how you’ve handled this type of situation but I suspect you’ve had other people send you information who are concerned about becoming a target.

In June, we tested over 2,231 patients (data through last Thursday). Positive rate is now close to 20% (was 4-6% in May). Vast majority of the cases are mild to very mild symptoms. Average age of the people getting tested in mid-30s.

Very different patient (in terms of age) than we’ve seen before June. Most of these patients would not have met criteria that we previously had (and all the health facilities had) for Covid testing. Now with more testing kits we are able to test a broader group of patients.

Clinically, we’ve had very few hospital transfers because of Covid. Vast majority of the patients are better within 2-3 days of the visit and most would be described as having a cold (a mild one at that) or the symptoms related to allergies. We’ve often provided a steroid shot and some antibiotics. By the time we have follow-up calls, most of the patients are no longer experiencing any symptoms. They often say the shot really made a difference.

In terms of what is driving them to the ER — Roughly 1/2 have been told by their employers to get a test. They have a sneeze or a cough and their employer tells them to go get tested. The other 1/2 just want to know. They have mild symptoms (and some don’t have any symptoms but game the system and check a box that they have a symptom so they can get a test — they cannot get a test unless they present with symptoms. If they have no symptoms we send them away — which does happen.)

The average length of stay of Covid patients is 3-5 days. Much lower than the patients being seen in April and early May. Their symptoms are also milder. Most of the patients are not ending up in the ICU. The hospital ICUs are filled with really sick people with non-Covid issues. They [didn’t] come in earlier because they were scared and now they are super sick. From multiple sources at different hospitals — they have plenty of capacity and no shortage of acute care beds.

No real data on breakdown of patients who have Covid but are not in the hospital because of Covid. Recognition that because all patients are tested for Covid you have some percentage of patients listed as Covid patients who are non Covid symptomatic and that the hospitalization rate is somewhat driven by hospitals taking their normal patients with other medical issues.

Finally, heard several stories of how discharge planners are being pressured to put Covid as primary diagnosis — as that pays significantly better. Hospitals want to avoid the discussion but if they don’t they risk another shutdown. This may be an explanation for why there is a gap in hospital executives saying they have plenty of capacity and the increasing number of Covid hospitalizations. You open up your hospitals for normal medical care and you test everyone (sic) of those patients — the result is higher percentage of patients who have Covid — now.

Overall, based on what we are seeing at our facilities, the above information is really a positive story. You have more people testing positive with really minimal symptoms. This means that the fatality rate is less than commonly reported."

(uit: www.aier.org/article/why-we-should-no... )
Ed Verbeek is ook weer begonnen met werken.
Chiddix
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Airco en het coronavirus door Hoogleraar Kroes(LUMC). Paar citaten. Airco is gunstig voor het virus en verlaagt de luchtvochtigheid waardoor druppeltjes waar het virus in zit sneller verdampen. Daardoor worden ze lichter en hebben een grotere draagwijdte. M.a.w bij lagere luchtvochtigheid kan het virus een grotere afstand afleggen. Lage temperatuur zorgt ervoor dat het virus gemakkelijker kan worden overgedragen.
Chiddix
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Kroes adviseert de airco niet aan te zetten. Het creeert een ongunstig klimaat voor mensen door luchtvochtigheid en temperatuur bij het coronavirus. Luchtstroming zorgt wel dat viruswolken uiteengedreven worden maar de richting van de luchtstroom kan een nadelig effect hebben(besmettingsgevaar). Onderwerp: luchtvochtigheid, temperatuur en luchtstromen.
Ed Verbeek
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Chiddix schreef op 3 juli 2020 09:09:

Airco en het coronavirus door Hoogleraar Kroes(LUMC). Paar citaten. Airco is gunstig voor het virus en verlaagt de luchtvochtigheid waardoor druppeltjes waar het virus in zit sneller verdampen. Daardoor worden ze lichter en hebben een grotere draagwijdte. M.a.w bij lagere luchtvochtigheid kan het virus een grotere afstand afleggen. Lage temperatuur zorgt ervoor dat het virus gemakkelijker kan worden overgedragen
En alwéér een bevestiging van wat De Hond al maanden geleden heeft gevonden
:-)
Ed Verbeek
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leek2018 schreef op 3 juli 2020 08:55:

Ed Verbeek is ook weer begonnen met werken.
leek2018 is weer begonnen met op de man gespeelde insinuaties.
leek2018
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Ed Verbeek schreef op 3 juli 2020 09:38:

[...]leek2018 is weer begonnen met op de man gespeelde insinuaties.
Bij sommige hier is humor ver te zoeken. Kan je trouwens een paar voorbeelden geven, je spreekt namelijk van "weer". Als je een kritische houding of ergens oneens mee zijn als een op de man gespeelde insinuatie opvat hoef je geen voorbeelden te geven, want dan begrijp ik je opmerking.
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Ed Verbeek schreef op 3 juli 2020 09:33:

[...]En alwéér een bevestiging van wat De Hond al maanden geleden heeft gevonden
:-)
Dat bedoel ik dus.
Ed Verbeek
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leek2018 schreef op 3 juli 2020 09:50:

Bij sommige hier is humor ver te zoeken.
Hahaha, dus jouw opmerking "Ed Verbeek is ook weer begonnen met werken." was slechts humor!
Ja, dat dàt jouw humor is, is wel humor :-)
Ed Verbeek
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